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He Told Me If We Do Keep Messing Up We Won’t Go To Heaven

Submitted by on March 31, 2012 – 8:00 am2 Comments

Made In His Image writes…

Hey

eternmanYesterday my pastor was teaching me about Sin. I am not going to beat around the bush here. He simply told me that if we do keep messing up then God will leave me. He showed me lots of scriptures. (1Cor 6:9-10 Rom 1:29 1Tim 1:10-12 Gal 5:19-21 Matt 18:6 Eph 1:7-8 1 john 1:7)

He told me that I might not go to heaven either, if my life is a real mess then I will not go to heaven even though I am saved. He said that when we sin the Holy Spirit leaves us and comes back when we confess our sin.

I have been in so much pain and confusion. Everything the pastor said is so contradicting to everything I knew about God in the last 5 years of my walk with Him. I hear two voices, “I will never leave you” and  “I will leave you”. I can’t make out which is whose voice. I feel betrayed. Why should I go through the pain of change only to end up in Hell? Why not enjoy everything this world has to offer and then go to hell. At least I’ll enjoy somewhere right?

I don’t know what to do and what to think! If this is true I DO NOT what to be with God. WHAT IS THE POINT? If He is going to give up on me just like the human race does, how is he any better? If He is like all the other gods who are with you when you are sinless and are gone when you mess up; He doesn’t deserve the love and praise if he is like that!

I don’t want Him to leave me. My life is nothing without Him but I do mess up a LOT of times. My entire life looks like it is on shaky ground. A life I knew I gave into someone’s hand that I can trust now feels like, well… I feel like I should take back my life into my own hands.

I know it may feel like I am conveying different emotions but that is how I feel right now. Please tell me what to do. I feel alone and abandoned. Show me through His Word please. I need someone to talk to.

Made In His Image

Treasure Box replies…

Dear Made in His Image:

Here we go again – I am never able to write short answers! Maybe you could print this off and study it? :)

Phew! What a mess this one talk created for you! And whoa! That talk could create a lot of fear and confusion. Not only is it confusing, it is dangerous and not biblical.

Salvation is not a reward for a life well lived. It is a gift from God and has nothing to do with any of your works. All you need to do is believe in the name of Jesus Christ and believe that He was raised from the dead. You’ve accepted this free gift:

Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT God saved you by His grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.

I’m not sure what the circumstances are that brought about this talk, but let me share with you what I’ve learned. I am trying very hard to read between the lines here, so forgive me if this is not exactly what you were concerned about.

When I accepted Jesus Christ into my life in the year 2000, I was 42 years old and one big mess with a lot of sinful ways. It took me five years to just learn to read scripture, and learn about worship, and erase a lot of errors in my thinking. I messed up a lot, over and over and over again.

After five years, I had to go through another four years of healing at my church. Lots of scripture, lots of prayer, some counseling, classes, etc. God did some amazing miracles that showed me He was with me at all times.

There were some sins that were very ingrained life-long habits and addictions. It was very hard to overcome them. And it took a long time – years! God never left me during this time, the Holy Spirit continued to reside in me. It was the Holy Spirit that helped me overcome many of my old ways. Today, twelve years later, I walk in complete healing and no signs of my past. However, I still mess up time and time again. :)

I have never read a scripture that says the Holy Spirit leaves me when I sin. Perhaps you can point one out to me? I found this one which says He will never leave:

John 14:16-17 NLT And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it isn’t looking for Him and doesn’t recognize Him. But you know Him, because He lives with you now and later will be in you. (emphasis mine)

However, Jesus does want us to obey Him. Look at the previous verse:

John 14:15 “If you love Me, obey My commandments.”

God doesn’t want us to continue living in sin. He wants us to be like Him! And He has not left us on our own to do this. He will help us become more like Him. He wants us to live by the Spirit. In other words, He wants us to have a good life and be safe and work with Him to bring others to Christ. If we are living in sin, it becomes more difficult. He loves us very much and wants what is best for us.

Having said all that, let’s break some of these scriptures down that you shared above:

1 Cor 6:9-10
In this chapter, Paul was telling the Christians in Corinth that suing each other was wrong. Especially because they were going to be judged by a non-believing judge.

If you read past verses 9 and 10, you’ll notice something very important. Look what verse 11 says:

Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul is arguing the point by saying they used to be like the heathen, but they had been made clean and righteous. So start living that way. Let the Holy Spirit change you from the inside out.

Look at one of my favorite scriptures:

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like Him as we are changed into His glorious image.

See? It’s a process. When I am saved, I am not immediately perfect. I never will be. I continue to sin. But as I spend time with God, He reveals to me what areas He wants to work on, and I am made more and more like Him. This process will last a whole lifetime.

Romans 1:29
Paul is talking to the Christians about those who “supress the truth by their wickedness” (v18). Look at verse 21:

Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship Him as God or even give Him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.

He is speaking to those who knew God was real but failed to worship Him as God. Then they made up ideas of who God was. They became confused and started doing all the wicked things mentioned in verses 26-31.

I remember a long time ago as a Christian, I was indulging in a sexual sin that I knew was wrong. I wanted to change but willfully continued doing it. One night, God gave me a dream where I opened the front door to my home and a man stood there and shot me in the heart before I even had a chance to say no. God revealed to me the next morning that I was destroying myself with this sin. I was willfully sinning and He was saying, “You need to stop, hon. This is not My Way.”

I stopped. :)

Can you see the Holy Spirit at work here?

1 Timothy 1:10-12
Here Paul is talking about teachers who were teaching the law instead of teaching the Glorious Gospel of God.

Don’t forget that Paul, one of the most amazing missionaries of all time struggled with his own sinful flesh. He describes it in in Romans 7:14-25.

Galatians 5:19-21
Again, Paul is talking about unbelievers here. They cannot inherit the kingdom of God because they follow the desires of their sinful flesh – these were non-Christians he was referencing.

Let’s go back to my story above. During this horrible struggle to overcome that sin, God never left me, and it was through His Spirit that I was able to have victory!

Had I died before I had overcome, I know that I would be with Jesus right now. He had paid for all of my sins on the cross. All the past, present and future ones. God knew I was struggling with this sin, and He knew my heart. I DID want to change.

Matthew 18:6
This scripture refers to causing Christians to stumble and fall in the faith. It’s obvious that it grieves God very much when we cause others to lose their faith. Nothing is referencing our salvation though.

1 John 1:6-10
I included the previous verse and the subsequent verses on this one because they’re important. We are lying if we say we know God but have not accepted Jesus Christ as our Savior. Verse 7-10 says that if we live in the light, acknowledge that we are sinners, He is faithful and just to forgive us and we live in the light.

You, dear sister, have begun a relationship with our Dear Daddy (our Abba). He is a loving God Who is slow to anger and filled with unfailing love, forgiving every kind of sin and rebellion (Numbers 14:18a).

Unfailing love. That is key here.

Hon, when you accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, do you think He didn’t know that you would still struggle with some of your old habits? And yet He still joyfully welcomed you into His family.

Don’t give up. Don’t listen to the voices that are trying to drag you away. Keep coming here and using this wonderful group of ladies who are full of God’s Wisdom. Remember God loves you and wants to help you change into what He envisions you to be – a Beautiful, Talented, Loving, Energetic Daughter of God. This process takes time and work. You can do it. Rely on Him and never give up. He is not giving up on you!

God wants you to walk in His Light and He wants you to truly be free from all of the old habits because it’s what is best for you and for others. He won’t leave you alone to work though it. He will work with you as you spend time in the Word, in prayer, in thanksgiving, and in worship. I have faith in you!

And last but not least. Why not study Romans 8 over and over again? It’s a beautiful ending to this little answer. ;)

2 Comments »

  • admin says:

    This an excellent comment Alana. Thank you so much for sharing. I like the analogy.

  • Alana says:

    When we sin we are grieving the Holy Spirit, if He indeed dwells within us. The problem here is that your pastor is saying that your salvation is dependent upon your ability to keep laws and by your works, which is not Biblical. Salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. But the mark of salvation, the evidence that we have truly been saved by Jesus Christ, is that we will hate the sin we once loved and love the righteousness we once ignored and even hated. Scripture says to test yourself, examine yourself, to see if you are truly saved. Do you hate sin? Are your sensitive to sin? Is there a growth in your hatred of sin? Yes, sadly true Christians are capable of sinning, but heres the difference. Take a pig for example who is eating slop. Now imagine for a moment that pig was turned into a man. Suddenly he could not eat the slop he was gulping down a minute ago. He starts vomiting it up and is ashamed. Now if that man tries to go back to that bucket of slop like what he used to eat when he was a pig, he will be ashamed and not able to swallow that slop and grieved that he even thought he could go back to that. Thats the difference. Were not saved by our works, but the evidence of that our faith is real and Jesus truly saved us is that we can no longer make a practice of sin, and over time will see a growth in our hatred of it and turning away of it. We will see that we will grow in holiness in the likeness of our Savior Jesus Christ by His doing.

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